How to Tenderize Chicken Breasts
How to tenderize chicken breast.
How to tenderize chicken breast.
“What does ‘salt to taste’ mean anyway? Just give me a measurement that works, right? After all, I am reading your recipe and need to know what works!” – My Past Self Salt. Alone it’s overwhelming to the senses, leaves you thirsty, and lingers on…
Does making your own broth take time? Sure, it does! So does eating a meal. But, I can “Guar-Ron-Tee” dat eating a bad meal takes longer than eating a good meal. Do you want them plates and bowls to end up at the sink with soup still in them or already licked squeaky clean?
This broth recipe is one of the base recipes that will be referred to over and over in recipe after recipe here on beerandiron.com.
The backbone of any soup, stew, and chili is the broth you use. If the broth is flavorful, the soup, stew, or chili will be flavorful. Let’s make this!
NOTE: You may have noticed the stainless steel pot used in the image above. Using stainless steel for this is A-OK. In the video, I used my 9-quart cast iron Dutch oven to make the broth. Use what you want.
I’m gonna tell you it’s the broth that will “make” that meal, and the only way to make a good broth is to make it yourself.
There is one reason I make my own broth: Flavor. And the flavor comes from two sources: The Beer and from the parts and pieces that are generated during meal preparation that are normally thrown away.
Will we end up throwing these parts and pieces away? Sure, but not until we’ve rendered their flavor. It’s almost like tea; we simmer the tea in the water until we have changed the water into tea. Then, we toss the tea.
A good broth jells (like Jell-O / Gelatin) when cooled. This is due to the structural protein found in the connective tissue: collagen. Collagen breaks down with prolonged simmering and cooking and dissolves in the liquid (the beer). A true bone broth…a good broth in general has some bouncy, wiggly, gelatin-like consistency when cool. Shelf-stable bone broths usually do not gel because the collagen has been removed or never was there in the first place. Not only are you missing the nutritional benefits of the broth, the way the final recipe will “feel” is not as pleasing…a different mouth-feel, if you will.
Think about it for a bit. Why does boneless chicken cost more per pound than whole chicken? There’s weight to the “trash” that the whole chicken has that boneless chicken does not. When preparing bell peppers or tomatoes, do you use the whole vegetable/fruit or do you throw away some parts as you prepare them? Potato peel, carrot tops, bell pepper placenta, and meat bone/fat/joints…this is usually tossed during the cooking process. Even that large base of celery; it usually hits the garbage can with a heavy “thud.” There’s flavor in that root end. Every bit of that has flavor…some of it has more flavor than the actual “good” parts themselves; it’s just trapped in an area of the food that is either not editable as is (bones and ligaments) or has a terrible mouth feel like chunks of fat, potato peels, and pepper placenta.
I am not making it to reduce the salt/sodium or any other reason that is found on every single make-your-own broth blog. My reasons are dual and simple: Flavor and FLAVOR!
This recipe is easy. It’s so very easy. We create our broths from four sources:
Ever heard of Corona or Modelo? Sure, you have. Start with this easy-drinking beer. If you are a craft beer purist, no worries. Find one of your craft beers that are easy to drink like a lager or an ale. Here at first, avoid IPAs, seasonals, porters, and the others that may add a level of flavor you will experiment with later. Right now, let’s just create something amazing. Experiment later.
Bones, parts, and pieces from one whole deboned chicken – More if you have them.
2-8 12oz Beers (Room Temperature)…or more.
All you need for this recipe are the bones from one chicken. If you have more, add more. If you have some vegetable scraps, add them too.
It’s okay if the ingredients are piled out and above the top of that Dutch oven. They will break down and render their flavor into that broth. The broth will simmer down a bit and become more concentrated. Just pile it in!
The amount of beer to add is up to you.
First and foremost…NO! You will not get drunk on this broth. Alcohol has a much lower gas point that water does. If you are adding a 6% ABV (alcohol by volume) beer to this pot, then long before that broth starts to steam, that alcohol will gas off.
You’ve heard the statement regarding alcohol in food, “It’ll cook out.” And it does. There is no “away” in the world; the alcohol does leave the meal just like water does: as a gas. A 6% ABV beer will lose about 6% of the volume pretty quickly.
Note: Alcohol “cooks out” at about 173.1°F (78.37°C). The liquid will not even be bubbling yet by the time the Ethanol (https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/types/) starts to steam out. When your liquid reaches 212°F (100°C), you’ll notice a nice boil start (the boiling point of water).
What I am looking for in my broth is some body. I want the broth to have a heavier and fuller flavor and mouthfeel than broth-in-a-box or water has. That beer will add that body and those real ingredients will add that flavor.
The broth will NOT taste like beer. But, use caution with a beer that has a distinctive flavor ingredient. You can bet your witches and warlocks that the fall pumpkin ale you add to this broth will give you a pumpkin-ey broth. And, you can bet Santa’s beer belly that if you use a winter spruce tip lager in that broth, you’ll have a bit of a spruce-ey broth. That may be okay. Maybe you are going to use the pumpkin broth for a pumpkin chili base. And spruce tip flavor sure does complement chicken, just like rosemary does.
For the most part, use an easy-drinking lager for this recipe. And, if you find that you have a lot of ingredient scraps and not quite enough beer to bring the liquid volume up to the point you need, you can add a bit of water or even one of those boxes of store-bought “broth.”
Add the beer to the pot and just up to where the ingredients move freely in the liquid. You do not need to cover the ingredients with the liquid. The ingredients will cook down and will be under that liquid soon.
Then turn everything about in that pot to get the ingredients to settle a bit.
Let things settle for a while and stir the pot about once every 20-30 minutes for the first hour. Put the lid on the pot but leave an edge open to allow the steam to escape. We want the pot to simmer and not become a rolling boil. The lid over the pot will help hold the heat to allow for simmering. The opened edge at the top will keep the pot from boiling too hard.
You’ve heard of bone broth, right? We are making a mini pot of bone broth right here. Most bone broths take hours and hours to create and are made in some considerable volumes.
I have a recipe for beef bone broth that takes an entire day. Here’s the link: https://beerandiron.com/beer-beef-bone-broth-recipe-in-a-cast-iron-dutch-oven
This is not really a recipe. It’s a process. We will often spend the week cutting and chopping and roasting and skillet-ing. And, as we create our dinners, there are things that are often tossed. We’ll hang onto those trimmings, peelings, parts, bones, and pieces until we are ready to make a broth.
A long simmering time will allow all these parts and pieces to break down…ESPECIALLY the chicken bones and connective tissues. Eventually you will notice as you are turning and rotating the pot of “stuff” that the bone ends are bare and without any cartilage. The joints that were connected even after roasting the chicken are now broken apart and separated.
This is EXACTLY what we are looking for. And, we’ll let it simmer even longer.
Most of the ingredients are below the liquid level now. They are soft and fragile and some are almost liquified. We’ll call it broth-ified. The collagen from the chicken bones and the broken-down parts and pieces of meat and vegetables are creating a nice and heavy broth full of nutrients.
As you cook, and if you notice the liquid level is getting too low, add more beer, water, or boxed broth.
I set things aside and let them cool down but don’t let things cool down to room temperature. I let the liquid cool to about the temperature of a cup of coffee.
We are going to put the broth in the canning jars for refrigerator storage. THIS IS NOT A CANNING RECIPE. The broth created by following this recipe will have to be refrigerated. It will spoil at room temperature. With that being said, you can pressure can this broth following a canning recipe.
You will see in the video that I make a huge freakin’ mess while I pour the broth over to the jars. Even with the canning funnel. It is what it is. It’s likely because I am a male and prone to making messes (my wife has me convinced that I am handicapped because of a genetic issue: my Y-Chromosome).
My suggestion is to use wide-mouth jars. This broth will jell-up and it’s easier to get out of the jars with the wide mouth.
Place a metal strainer in the bowl to catch the solids. Using a ladle, we scoop up the solids and pour them over to the strainer. Then we stir the mash around and try to get as much of the liquid from that mushy stuff as we can.
Like in my beef bone broth recipe, you can “wash” the used material by placing it back in the pot and adding some fresh beer over the mushy stuff and spent bones. There will be enough of the broth and collagen left to actually jellify the beer when cooled. Message me if you need more explanation.
You can then use the drained solids for compost (except the bones), feed them to a worm bin, or throw them away.
Scoop up the liquid and solids and ladle them over into the strainer over the bowl. We are actually focused on the solids here. We want to get as much of the solids out as we can, so we are able to pour the pot over the strainer and get all the broth out and free of the solids.
If you don’t have any quart-size canning jars, you should get a set. They are so very helpful and handy. They can handle the extreme temperature changes like Pyrex glass can. And they are not too spendy. If they break or crack, we just recycle them (they take our glass here!).
Place a canning funnel over the mouth of the canning jar and pour the broth into the jars. The sad thing is: you’ll get far less broth than you think you’ll be getting. It is what it is.
The jars of broth will not last indefinitely. My suggestion is to use the broth in a soup, stew, chili, or something else before you start wondering, “is this okay to eat?” How long will that take? I don’t know the answer to that question. But, when I have broth like this available, I plan on a meal that will allow me to use the broth within a week.
And there you go! You did it! How did it turn out?
When pouring in Step #10, you’ll note the chicken parts are “sunken” to the bottom of the pot and will remain at the bottom of the pot until the angle of the pot during the pouring has reached a certain point. THEN the parts and pieces will “fall” to the side of the pot you are pouring toward.
It’s hard to pour this “away” from you and you will likely be inclined to pour “towards” you. When these ingredients “fall,” that liquid will splash. There are hot oils in that broth and the hot broth itself that will burn you or, in the least, make a mess on your counter or floor.
When about half of the liquid has poured into the colander, stop and “help” the chicken parts to gather on the side of the pot that you are pouring from. Then slowly continue pouring and let the parts and pieces slide into the colander to continue draining.
We use a copper-bottomed stainless 6-quart pot for making broth from one or two chickens. We use stainless because the simmer time is so long. Beer and anything that contains alcohol is going to be acidic. And, truth be known, I’ll cook up a tomato dish in any of my non-enamled, well-seasoned cast iron pots and will not lose a wink of sleep over it…and…I create broth in my cast iron too…just like in the video.
Though the likelihood of metal molecules leaching into my food likely happens every single meal, we’re not cooking in lead or aluminum; we’re cooking in cast iron. Iron is both a material and a mineral. We need iron to have good health (https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-Consumer/). I don’t worry about my cast iron dissolving or becoming damaged by the acid foods and liquids I cook in them. I worry about the possibility of a metallic taste that may form with foods that need to simmer for longer periods of time like broths.
Some of my broths will cook for 24 hours (not this recipe). And, from what I understand, 2-8mg of iron will leach per cup of acid food/liquid per 30 minutes of cooking time. My 12-inch skillet is about 3,628,736mg of iron; 2-8mg is not a big deal even every 30 minutes for 24 hours…that broth would need to cook for something like 25 YEARS to melt my pan (LOL)! But, if off-flavors are a concern, then use a stainless pot…we have that one and only and use it for broth-making and noodle cooking.
With that being said, I use my 9-quart cast iron pot to create a beef broth (https://beerandiron.com/beer-beef-bone-broth-recipe-in-a-cast-iron-dutch-oven) that has a 24-hour cook time. It’s always been a great recipe and I have never had a metallic taste to my meals. So, if you are a purist cast-iron person, rock on with a cast iron Dutch oven to create your broth.
Storing in canning jars is not “canning” per se’. We are using the jars because of their convenience. Don’t store this broth in plastic. You can use something like Pyrex if you like. You will NEED to refrigerate this broth after you “jar” it and after it’s cooled a bit. You can “can” the broth but this canning process is beyond the scope of this recipe.
Note: canning jars are commonly made of annealed glass. Pyrex glass is made of borosilicate glass, which is more resistant to thermal shock than annealed glass. We let the broth cool a bit before pouring over into the container we are planning to store the broth in.
And, it’s okay if that “skin” forms on the broth’s surface before storing; it’ll “dissolve” into the broth once the broth is in the jar.
When you are done with your broth creation, you’ll have your broth and your meat parts separated. Depending on how long you simmered your broth will affect the present “durability” of the connective tissue. Many times I am surprised as to how much “meat” is left after I de-bone the chicken and create my broth.
We have pups in our home; two hair and poop factories on four legs. I will take some time and remove all the big, little, and even TINY bones from the “trash” that’s left in the colander and pull out some meat to use as “treats” for the dogs. My suggestion is to only give them a little at a time. You will likely get anywhere from ½ to a full cup (or more) of meat parts that are not bone.
I have a recipe on how to create dog cookies using scraps of meat. Check it out here:
Throw the bones away; don’t feed them to your dogs. Also, consider the other ingredients in your broth creation. Did you use any garlic, onions, or other ingredients that are not OK for dogs? Use your good judgment when feeding your dogs from this recipe.
Broth-making is more passive than active. Once you put those ingredients into that pot for simmering, you’re pretty well free to create another meal or prep for the meal you are going to use that broth with.
Sometimes I will save the parts and pieces from many different cooks. They may be frozen or refrigerated. A nice rainy or snowy day makes a good day to create broth for the future. Once you put it on the heat, there’s little to do but wait and stir things once in a while.
You better have something planned for dinner later that will taste as good as that simmering broth will smell. Once that aroma permeates the home, your family will definitely ask, “what’s for dinner?” That anticipation doesn’t need to be disappointed by, “What’s this? What was that you were cooking earlier?”
A good broth jells (like Jell-O / Gelatin) when cooled. But, if yours does not, it’s likely one of two reasons: 1) You didn’t simmer it long enough for the connective tissues to dissolve into the broth (this is a molecule-by-molecule process and takes time). 2) There just wasn’t enough connective tissues in the scraps themselves to dissolve (common with small broth batches).
If your broth does not gel; then no worries! Just cook with it; it’ll be A-OK!
If you’ve got minutes, then cook for minutes. But, if you have hours…simmer it for hours and add more beer as it reduces to keep the liquid level up.
Actually, I did not. Salting a dish is a tricky deal to say the least. I don’t know what your “salty” tastes like. So, I wrote an article on how to salt a soup, stew, chili, or bisque. It’s a how-to-salt-just-about-anything-perfectly article. READ IT HERE.
So, no. I don’t add salt to this broth recipe. I add salt to the recipe I am going to cook with this broth but not during the broth creating process.
One of the reasons I don’t add salt is that I am usually using a brined chicken…and the amount of saltiness depends on so many factors that occurred from when you first put that raw chicken in that beer brine. Read my article on “Salt” to learn how I perfectly salt a recipe.
You’ve had those thin, watery soups before. You’ve struggled to bring body to your stews. We’ve added this and that and still feel, “it’s missing something.” What your soup, stew, or chili is missing is body and the core flavor. It’s the broth that will make or break a pot of soup, stew, or chili.
Take the time and save the week’s trimmings, bones, and scraps. Keep them refrigerated until you have enough to make your broth. Give this a try and let me know what you think.
ENJOY!
Easy-to-Create treats for the pups in your life. This is a beef and whole wheat treat you can make as easy as cookies.
Beer Beef Bone Broth a rich and nutritious broth made from what most call soup bones and butcher scraps. And it makes the most amazing soup, chili, and stew base you’ve ever wanted to taste.
Broth from a box will get you “this is good stew” complements but, this broth will make stew so good they’ll start trying to speak “this stew is amazing” before they even swallow (so keep a napkin ready).
This is not a typical bone broth recipe and is not for drinking like a “normal” bone broth recipe. We will not add any salt, apple cider vinegar, or vegetables.
As rumor has it, there was this fella named Christopher Columbus that sailed the ocean blue in 1492. Poor fella; was searching for India and the peppercorn plant and found the Bahamas and the bell pepper. Good ‘ol Christopher saw all those peppers and said, “¡Eso parece una campana!” No, that’s a lie. He may have said “that looks like a bell” in Latin or jotted it down in his secret journal in Greek. No, I don’t know what the fella said, but it is generally accepted that Columbus is credited for naming the fruit (from a flower and seeds on the inside). Looking for India, Peppercorns, and “love in all the wrong places.” Ha! Now you’ve got that song stuck in your head.
I’ve got an old reprint of a cookbook called Boston Cooking-School Cookbook from the late 1800’s and there’s a great stuffed bell pepper recipe…rumored to be the first stuffed bell pepper recipe ever. But, I am not so sure about that. There are so many different cultures with their own version of the stuffed bell peppers.
We’re gonna swap this up a bit; of course we are! We’re Beer and Iron. We’re gonna add beer! This recipe may sound complicated with all its steps and parts; but don’t let the step-by-step shy you away. I am presenting this recipe in two ways: 1) Step-By-Step and taking nothing for granted and 2) The Quick-And-To-The-Point recipe (the printable version). If you print this recipe and need a bit more explanation, you’ll have the Step-By-Step to refer to.
NOTE: You will likely have more stuffing than bell peppers to stuff. That’s A-OK. Better than the other way around. Bell Peppers come in all kinds of sizes and subsequently stuffing space (and also depending on your pepper packing proficiency…OKAY! Three time fast!).
Also, this article has affiliate links.
We are going to cook this recipe in a cast iron baking pan (what you will find in the photos). However, a cast iron skillet or even a cast iron Dutch oven will work very well with this recipe. Use what’s in your arsenal of iron!
9 x 13 Inch Cast Iron Casserole Pan. This will hold about 4 bell peppers (8 halves). If you don’t have any cast iron bakeware, use any cast Iron baking pan/pot/skillet large enough to accommodate the number of bell pepper halves you plant to cook. And, that also depends on the size of the bell peppers you are cooking with (affiliate links).
5- or 7-quart Dutch oven for browning and sautéing (a 9-quart will be okay too and, if you don’t have a Dutch oven, use a 12-inch cast iron skillet or larger).
3-quart Cast Iron Sauce Pot for cooking the rice (okay, if you want to use a different pot for the rice, we’ll let it slide…this time).
A nice lager or a Belgian will work well. I’d avoid an IPA; we love that hoppy touch to a beer but the remaining bitters may be a bit overwhelming in this recipe. Avoid the beers with a sweeter flavor like porters and stouts.
A common ingredient in many stuffed bell pepper recipes is rice…oh glorious rice! And how do we make rice better? We cook it with beer.
Step 1: Preheat your Oven to 400°F (205°C) and your cast iron pot that you plan to brown the ground turkey meat in and sauté the onions in.
Step 2: Start the rice cooking on the stove top (See Beer-Rice Recipe).
Step 3: Cut the washed bell peppers lengthwise and through the stem and then cut out the “placenta” but leave the stem on the pepper (not all halves will be able to keep the stem depending on the stem location).
Step 4: Coat the outside of the peppers with the oil.
Step 5: Place the cut and oiled bell pepper halves open-side-up in the 9 x 13 Inch Cast Iron Casserole Pan (or other) and put them in the preheated oven.
Step 6: Roast the bell peppers for about 25-40 minutes depending on thickness.
Step 7: Place the oven-pre heated pot over a medium-high burner, add a bit of oil (about a tablespoon or two), and brown the ground turkey meat.
Step 8: While the turkey meat is browning, drain and rinse off the black beans then put them in the bowl you plan to mix your stuffing in.
Step 9: After browning the turkey, set it aside in the colander to drain.
Step 10: Using the oil/fat left behind from the turkey, sauté the onions until they “clear up.” If there is not enough oil or fat left to sauté the onions, you can add a bit of oil here.
Step 11: Add to the mixing bowl:
Step 12: Remove the bell peppers from the oven and fill them with the prepared stuffing by using the silverware spoon. Just “mound” the stuffing slightly.
Step 13: Put the stuffed Bell Peppers in the Oven. Warm everything up to an internal temperature to around 165° F (75°C). I use a wired thermometer like this one (affiliate link):
Step 14: Pull the hot, roasted, stuffed bell peppers out of the oven.
Step 15: Preheat the oven to BROIL!
Step 16: Sprinkle (or coat) the tops of the bell peppers with cheese.
Step 17: Place the cheese-topped stuffed bell peppers back in the oven on broil and let them brown (keep a close eye on them; they will burn)
Step 18: Once the cheese is toasted, pull them from the oven and top them with fresh and chopped cilantro or parsley, avocado, or sour cream (Greek yogurt works pretty okie-dokie too).
Stuffed bell pepper with a Spanish…Mexican…Texan…American…Idahoan “piquant after-dinner flavor – heavy, but with a touch of mellow smoothness.”
There’s tomato, turkey, pepper, cumin, rice and the bell peppers with mild and sweet flavors of the yellow, orange, and red varieties and the “green” grassy flavor of the green bell pepper.
Then there’s the cheese…oh my gracious! CHEESE! Smooth and such a flavor bolus that really brings these peppers to life!
Though I threw in the “Idahoan” part there (that’s where I’m from) this is definitely a dish that screams “South of the Border” with an Italian hint…after all…if people can be Heinz 57 so can our food, right!!! (HIGH FIVE!).
With the tomato acids, this meal will pair well with a nice amber ale. And, with the Tex/Mex flavors, most any lager should be a nice addition to the palate-satisfying finish.
Think Mexican lagers like Corona, Pacifico, Modelo, and Tecate would be some examples. My fellow craft beer lovers likely have some of their favorites come to mind with these lager examples (though that Modelo is pretty nice for a less-than-craft-brew).
Sulae’s Suggestion: Lager / Mexican Lager
We’re not looking at courses here, we looking to balance the meal with a side dish or two like French fries with a burger.
Stuffed bell peppers are a meal in and of themselves. There’s the fats, proteins, and carbohydrates. Fiber…sure enough!
My 14-year-old tends to go back for the second and sometimes the third bell pepper. Often times there is “spillage” of the stuffing that has made its way out of the bell peppers and sits on the plate. Having a nice side to “mix” this stuffing with is a nice way to “clean the plate.” So, often I will create some sides for this meal. Some great foods and recipes that pair well with stuffed bell peppers are:
Basic Polenta – Keep it simple; the stuffed bell peppers are the star of this show.
Corn Chips – Great with any Tex-Mex themed meal. But easy does it!
Mashed Potatoes – This goes with everything. Though not my go-to with this recipe, it’s sure good at “gathering up the stuffing spillage.”
Cauliflower Rice – Yes, there’s rice in this recipe…but cauliflower rice ain’t rice that’s for sure.
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I got me a 13-year-old turned 14 this month and that boy loves this recipe, “What we havin’ for dinner?”
This is a casserole and the one thing that can hold up a meal is waiting on a doggone casserole to “dry up.” This is one of my “dry” recipes; it’s just so freaking delicious that I couldn’t just not include on this website.
Sure, there’s some way that I could “force” beer into the recipe; and I do when I include chopped chicken (brine the chicken before cooking the chicken). And there will be other recipes that I’ll post that are some of my favorite “dry” recipes or within are some ingredients you just have to try. Beer makes all the recipes taste awesome. But we know that as long as it’s cooked up in Cast Iron, you’ll be hearing, “Ohhh, it sure ‘nuf smells good in here!” Truth! My wife just walked in the room and said just that!
There is some preemptive planning to get this recipe ready. There’s the first cook and then the final cook. But don’t hang up quite yet, this is one that could be prepped the day before and ready to cook up when you are good and ready.
The squash needs to be precooked. And so does the onions and any raw meat you are adding to this recipe. You can pre-boil your squash in either a cast iron Dutch oven or, if you have one, a stainless pot. Wash your squash, slice it in ½ inch to 1 inch slices, and place the sliced squash in the pot. The next thing is to add salt…lots of salt. We’ll discard the water when we are done but we want the squash to be nicely salted.
Don’t boil the squash to mush. You just boil it long enough to soften the squash. When you put this casserole together and cook it, raw squash will not cook to fully done. By the time the casserole is “dried out” and “ready” as we’d expect a casserole to be, the squash will still have a bit of a “crunch” to it. Boil your squash, sauté the onions, and cook any raw meat you’d like to add to this recipe.
It’s gonna be good!
Your optimum cast iron pan of choice will be either the 12” or the 14” skillet. You could use your 9” x 13” cast iron casserole pan or even your 15” skillet if you wanted to (or if you added more ingredients to your casserole. That 10.25” will be pushing it. You’re likely to have a mess unless you cut the recipe back a bit.
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